A year ago our position looked forlorn, and well nigh desperate to all eyes but our own. To-day we may say aloud before an awe-struck world: "We are still masters of our fate. We are still captain of our souls." - Churchill.
Advantages of a truly free press
Published on July 6, 2004 By Sam Edney In Politics
I am opening this blog primarily due to having been censored in another topic. A thoughtful (and possibly thought provoking) short reply to a post (not a flame) was deleted by Draginol, when there were replies that were much less relevant and more abusive above mine left standing. It made me think more generally about how censorship affects things in the real world.

I have watched the dramatic growth of the Internet over the last few years with much interest, and use it daily for both business and pleasure. It is a source of much of the information I absorb - or at least browse; some from reputable sources such as BBC news, and some not so reputable sources, such as blogs.

Blogs are primarily a tool for discussion, rather than broadcast. As you are all aware - what is said in a blog should not be taken as gospel and as such doesn’t need censorship... or does it? Brad obviously feels that it does. If a reply is relevant, but not agreeable - should it be deleted?

The blog in question was about Michael Moore, Bush, and the new F-911 film. What could I have possibly said that required censoring? Hmmm.

We live in a world where information is king. Those with access to the most information, rule. There are those of you who will no doubt argue that it is in fact money which rules the world, but then those who have the information can likely have the money when they so desire.

I am a firm believer in democracy and real freedom of speech and even at this ultra-low level of blogging such censorship is infuriating! Let the people decide!! Give them the information and let them decide for themselves in open discussion what is right and what is wrong... Or are JoeUser users too uneducated to do that? After all, isn’t active discussion what blogging is about?

More generally, here in the UK we have a varied and extensive press. On the tabloid side, its fair to say that a lot of the news is celeb-based nonsense, but it sells papers and pays reporters wages. That’s not to say that it’s all rubbish and only redtops. We have over 40 daily newspapers available in London alone and more magazines than you can shake a stick at. Add to that the hundreds of local newspapers (which actually contain local news), ITN (independent television news) and we appear to have a massive variety of reliable information available to us every day.

Add to that further the BBC - a service that provides a wealth of informational services. We have BBC1, 2, 3, and 4 television channels; 5 different national radio stations; many new digital radio stations, as well as loads of local stations and the World Service. They also provide a truly brilliant website (http://www.bbc.co.uk) that also streams their radio content.

All of the BBC's services are commercial free. Everything is paid for by the people of Britain, by means of a household TV License at the cost of around £80 per year per home, as well as by exporting existing BBC products overseas.

The reason this works so well is that the BBC doesn’t owe anyone anything, other than the people of Britain themselves. There is no way the BBC can be 'bought' or 'bullied'. That said, there are also many people in the UK who think that the way the BBC is funded isn’t really fair on other broadcasters, but there are not many people who would argue that the BBC isn’t something to be proud of. I myself think the unique way in which the BBC is funded is fundamental to the way in which it works. It is the key method in keeping it’s content fair and just.

The press in the US obviously works in a different way. Due to the nature of the American way of life, there is no way people would ever consider paying for something they might not use which benefits other people; after all, even many people here in the UK never watch BBC. They only watch sport and movies on satellite or cable… why should they pay?

As I understand it, the American media is mostly owned by General Electric, NewsCorp, Viacom as well as a handful of others. They are mostly all companies who have large business interests in other industries. In many cases situations may arise which will cause conflicts of interests. How can you believe what you read, when the news is ultimately printed by the same company that is making the news?

If people are denied access to information, then they are surely ultimately worse off, regardless of whether someone with the power or political clout decides that those people may not need or be ready for said information (censoring, not editing).

In the case of the American media, it seems that many of the major players are in a constant position of conflicting interests. Before you say anything, I know, the same can be said for many of the British media companies, but to counter that problem, we do have the advantage of many more media companies from which to select our news from.

My summary is that we shouldn’t take everything for granted. We need to read more and listen more. We need to educate ourselves and shop around for information. Don’t assume that everything you read actually happened, or that everything you didn’t read didn’t happen. If the government tells you something is right, it might be wrong. If the media tell you something is wrong, it might actually be right. If no one says anything, chances are there is still a lot of stuff going down that we don’t hear about and it might be because the powers that be don’t want us to hear about it.

In the case of blogging, the censorship issue is debatable - hence this post - but I would like to open the debate up to be a bit more general.

Q. Who benefits from censorship?

My answer would have to be, "No one".

Comments
on Jul 06, 2004
Q. Who benefits from censorship?


The censor, obviously - that's why they do it.
on Jul 07, 2004
I've noticed Brad's reprehensible tactics in his F9/11 posts. At one point he suggested that those who thought the film raised valid points should be prohibited from posting on his blog. That pretty much discourages anyone from even trying to discuss the film with him. It would be like me posting on 'The Passion' and excluding people whose viewpoints are 'flawed' because they believe in God.
on Jul 07, 2004
"A thoughtful (and possibly thought provoking) short reply to a post (not a flame) was deleted by Draginol, when there were replies that were much less relevant and more abusive above mine left standing"


And we have only your take on your post to go on. I notice that you didn't reprint it here for us to judge.

You weren't prevented from expressing your views, you were just prevented from expressing them on his blog. If you were truly squelched you'd not be posting now, considering he could simply ban you and anyone else he likes from the site as a whole. Perhaps he thought what you said had already been addressed. Perhaps he read more into it than was there. Perhaps he just wanted to delete a post. Doesn't matter, it's his delete button to push.

Did he blacklist you as well? Were you able to ask him why and sort it out, publicly or privately? Or was this the resonse?

Commenting is a privledge, completely at the whim of the original poster. I can't say why he did it, but I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was within his rights to do it.

My response on censorship as a whole would be too long and better suited as an article of my own...

on Jul 07, 2004
BakerStreet - I was blacklisted, and I was unable to find out exactly what I had said for him to take offence. I didn’t want to drag on the subject specifically, for fear of being reprimanded by all those who love Brad and I dont have the original post, so I cant reprint it here. I felt I had to mention his name personally as he is the highest-ranking member, and has affiliation with the sites owners and obviously with Stardock. I also mentioned this as a possible reason to discuss topics such as Moore - as it generates search hits and therefore possibly business for Stardock.

Another point which I had mentioned which I will reiterate, was that it was pretty deplorable to actually start a topic denouncing something, when he hadn’t even seen that something... (ie. The film "Farehnheit 911"). Its fair enough telling others that propaganda is bad when its Moore's doing, but what is the difference between the propaganda of Moore and his own propaganda - giving out (mis) information on the movie that he hadn’t even seen?!

I quote a post of Draginol's...

Those who buy into his (or her's) twisted view on the world are weak minded IMO. People who have become so partisan that they just lap up propaganda without recognizing what it is.

I mentioned that possibly he didn’t make up his own mind about everything, and could he have been a little brainwashed himself? Do you see my point?

I suppose you are right. It is his website - so he could have me kicked. It all just seems a little "it's my ball and I'm going home!" to me.

Also, Why you don’t feel you though you can respond here with regards to the question on the more important subject of censorship? Many people make very extensive replies to topics, and I am sure if the content was good, no one would mind reading through even a few pages at hi-res.

Cactoblasta - Of course! You are right for the most part - I didn't think to note that. However, in many instances, the censor might censor something because they deem the readers / viewers unfit to see it - eg. real footage from Iraq. One of the reasons there was peace for so long after WWII was that everyone had real experience of the war, and knew how nasty it really was. With the Gulf II, people watched a movie style media campaign, made to look as though everything was perfect... when it obviously wasnt. The people (particularly of the US) have no real feeling of remorse about all this killing - and thats a big problem, as they may happily sign up to more wars in the future (though hopefully, less resolutely).
on Jul 07, 2004
If the post you're talking about is the one I commented on in Brad's Fahrenheit 911 thread, then I can understand why it was deleted. You questioned his very motives for writing about topical issues and slandered him by claiming that he was doing it to get commercial exposure. I see no reason for personal attacks to be left alone simply because they're attached to something that might be relevent.
on Jul 07, 2004
The obvious business advantages to B for getting hits on JoeUser are there, plain and simple. I don’t think it’s slanderous to point that out. We all know that he is a very switched-on businessman. He discusses his business openly in many topics. Is what I said too difficult to understand? I also didnt say that was his only reason, I gave 3 possiblities.

If this is the reason, then it re-iterates something else I said in this post about ulterior motives; that there is sometimes a conflict of interest when business and information are concerned.

If this was the reason, if it was deemed too personal, then I’m sorry B - I’m not here to make peoples lives more difficult in any way. I also did mention that the StarDock products sell themselves and commented on how good they were.
on Jul 07, 2004
I decided to make a separate article because I really didn't want to devote the time to what appeared to be a thinly veiled retaliation. Your mention of accusing Brad of doing it for search hits is plenty, though. All I would need to know.


on Jul 07, 2004
I suppose this was in a way a 'retaliation', but I had no come back elsewhere. My main point in this topic was censorship in general, which seems to have been forgotten now.

I may have also questioned his voting habits... :op... Maybe it wasn’t necessary of me to go in to it. If that was the issue, then fair enough, sorry, but I would have preferred to have been told - and perhaps the blog could have been edited rather than censored. The rest of the post was highly relevant.
on Jul 07, 2004
The stance taken by JoeUser is that the "right" of someone to control their own blog outweighs the "right" of someone else to make a comment. In fact, it is possible to disable comments completely.

The obvious justification for this is that anyone is free to create their own blog and write about whatever they want.

There is public radio and TV in the US, but it is probably not as heavily subsidized as the BBC, and it is not as influential.

I am not sure how TV broadcasting works in Britain, but in the US, most stations aren't actually owned by the network. In other words, CBS doesn't actually own most of the CBS-affiliated stations.
on Jul 07, 2004
Thats interesting. Are they independent of the network, or are they funded by it? Could they effectively be leaned on by their network if need be?

Its kind of sounds similar to things here. ITN is a news network which most channels broadcast, though it is not associated with any of those channels directly. I think the channels buy the news from ITN.

How does the public radio/TV work over there? Is it state or national, and how is it funded?